Joe Rogan Experience | David Grusch on UFO Retaliation, and Disclosure | Sept. 30, 2026

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David Grusch is a former United States Air Force intelligence officer, former representative of the National Reconnaissance Office to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, and former co-lead for Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena analysis at the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.

0:00:00 Grusch calls the years since his last visit a nightmare.
0:00:48 Disclosure bill failed. Burlison hires him as congressional staff.
0:01:30 He leaves that Hill job after the August recess.
0:02:40 UAP support in Congress, and a June presser with Scott Perry.
0:03:51 CIA officer David Rush: fake program, gold bars, and Rolexes.
0:06:00 Hidden funding through crime. He says officers ran child trafficking.
0:07:16 Iran-Contra, and a man who moved cocaine without knowing it.
0:10:28 Legacy program lost oversight. He never wanted to be a whistleblower.
0:12:04 October 2020. His NRO boss is walked out in Chantilly.
0:14:36 Early 2021. People helping him get Havana syndrome symptoms.
0:16:15 Early 2022. A same-day message to him and others. He reports it.
0:18:05 Rubio's staff say named people wanted to kill him.
0:20:08 How much is UAP, and how much is crime under weak oversight.
0:24:09 Recovered craft and beings. He rejects a public warehouse tour.
0:26:01 The Vatican's long study. He does not share the fear of a response.
0:28:12 Trump, at the White House UFC event, says it is going to come out.
0:30:15 A classified 1952 Blue Book tape: objects near nuclear sites.
0:32:00 If Trump drops his order, Grusch thinks no later president will finish it.
0:34:06 China and Russia could use a messy American disclosure.
0:36:00 Retrieval counts. The U.S. has many. He will not rank other countries.
0:38:00 Missile warning, and an Indian case from his NRO shift.
0:40:15 A craft in Korea, building built around it. He calls it a legend.
0:42:12 Early DIA papers on magnetohydrodynamic drive and cloaking.
0:44:05 A chief asks what he knows about UFOs. He says nothing.
0:46:04 Outside review scores disclosure more negative than positive.
0:48:11 A release could open the work to more firms and universities.
0:50:16 He wants amnesty, on a truth-and-reconciliation model.
0:52:11 Orbs may be craft inside plasma. Magnetohydrodynamic drive.
0:53:19 Sentient plasma. Hameroff and Penrose on consciousness.
0:56:00 He never got a file on where they are from.
0:58:00 Bodies may be engineered or another line. He never saw the result.
1:00:17 One being, very human, pale bluish-white skin.
1:03:31 Matthew Sullivan, call sign Quake, a source who died two years ago.
1:04:22 Video is not enough. Craft and biological samples have to be shown.
1:08:19 Pyramids, Hancock, Carlson. Archaeological retrieval is real.
1:10:25 Retrieval colleagues saw bodies. Some saw beings alive.
1:14:05 Groups fighting, including sky wars in the Vedic texts.
1:16:07 Reptilian-type craft are often tic-tac shaped.
1:20:00 Friend Matt's unexplained death, and a crashed tic-tac.
1:22:11 Villarroel's VASCO sky plates. Not Sputnik, not proven UAP.
1:24:34 Hawara, and a long metal object in a temple. New to him.
1:28:00 Biondi's radar under Giza, and whether Egypt will allow a look.
1:32:13 A "demon" may be one class of being, not the whole picture.
1:34:04 Ezekiel: cloud, fire, gleaming metal, four living creatures.
1:36:00 McCasland, DeLonge, and beings described like the Greek gods.
1:37:37 Bigelow pushed a president. Grusch will not name every room.
1:40:00 Calm on retrievals. He guesses telepathy is a countermeasure.
1:42:31 Grays in several sizes. He does not say the small ones are machines.
1:46:09 Peruvian remains, Nazca lines, and elongated skulls.
1:53:00 Tall reptilian types he has not seen. Fossils are outside his knowledge.
1:56:11 1952 tape: Holloman, White Sands, about 3,500 mph, nuclear sites.
1:58:00 A living being is harder for the public than a machine.
2:00:12 Robertson Panel, 1953, and a plan of ridicule.
2:01:21 Keyhoe and James McDonald. Nixon and Gleason: he does not know.
2:02:17 A flying-saucer house in upstate New York.
2:04:00 Wikileaks: McCasland and Lockheed's Weiss write to Tom DeLonge.
2:06:18 Insect-like beings. Talk he does not trust.
2:08:27 A reptilian crew, in what he was told, was killed, not contacted.
2:12:00 More people have seen something than will admit it.
2:13:28 MKUltra went public because a 1964 CIA report reached Congress.
2:16:02 Cloaking. Vallée: some sightings are a display.
2:18:14 Old paintings of a figure in a craft with fire behind it.
2:20:00 Something large in the ocean. The Abyss is a picture, not proof.
2:21:11 Matthew Brown's 2018 briefing. Grusch says he never saw it.
2:24:21 A hidden hand, and a warning against invented patterns.
2:25:26 Uncrewed egg-shaped craft. Jake Barber has described recovering them.
2:26:28 A plain "not alone, and we have craft" before Trump leaves office.
2:28:17 They have lived alongside people, he thinks, helpful and harmful.
2:30:00 Close.