Joe Rogan Experience | David Grusch on UFO Retaliation, and Disclosure | Sept. 30, 2026

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David Grusch is a former United States Air Force intelligence officer, former representative of the National Reconnaissance Office to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, and former co-lead for Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena analysis at the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.

0:00:00 Grusch calls the years since his last visit a nightmare.
0:00:48 Disclosure bill failed. Burlison hires him as congressional staff.
0:01:30 He leaves that Hill job after the August recess.
0:02:40 UAP support in Congress, and a June presser with Scott Perry.
0:03:51 CIA officer David Rush: fake program, gold bars, and Rolexes.
0:06:00 Hidden funding through crime. He says officers ran child trafficking.
0:07:16 Iran-Contra, and a man who moved cocaine without knowing it.
0:10:28 Legacy program lost oversight. He never wanted to be a whistleblower.
0:12:04 October 2020. His NRO boss is walked out in Chantilly.
0:14:36 Early 2021. People helping him get Havana syndrome symptoms.
0:16:15 Early 2022. A same-day message to him and others. He reports it.
0:18:05 Rubio's staff say named people wanted to kill him.
0:20:08 How much is UAP, and how much is crime under weak oversight.
0:24:09 Recovered craft and beings. He rejects a public warehouse tour.
0:26:01 The Vatican's long study. He does not share the fear of a response.
0:28:12 Trump, at the White House UFC event, says it is going to come out.
0:30:15 A classified 1952 Blue Book tape: objects near nuclear sites.
0:32:00 If Trump drops his order, Grusch thinks no later president will finish it.
0:34:06 China and Russia could use a messy American disclosure.
0:36:00 Retrieval counts. The U.S. has many. He will not rank other countries.
0:38:00 Missile warning, and an Indian case from his NRO shift.
0:40:15 A craft in Korea, building built around it. He calls it a legend.
0:42:12 Early DIA papers on magnetohydrodynamic drive and cloaking.
0:44:05 A chief asks what he knows about UFOs. He says nothing.
0:46:04 Outside review scores disclosure more negative than positive.
0:48:11 A release could open the work to more firms and universities.
0:50:16 He wants amnesty, on a truth-and-reconciliation model.
0:52:11 Orbs may be craft inside plasma. Magnetohydrodynamic drive.
0:53:19 Sentient plasma. Hameroff and Penrose on consciousness.
0:56:00 He never got a file on where they are from.
0:58:00 Bodies may be engineered or another line. He never saw the result.
1:00:17 One being, very human, pale bluish-white skin.
1:03:31 Matthew Sullivan, call sign Quake, a source who died two years ago.
1:04:22 Video is not enough. Craft and biological samples have to be shown.
1:08:19 Pyramids, Hancock, Carlson. Archaeological retrieval is real.
1:10:25 Retrieval colleagues saw bodies. Some saw beings alive.
1:14:05 Groups fighting, including sky wars in the Vedic texts.
1:16:07 Reptilian-type craft are often tic-tac shaped.
1:20:00 Friend Matt's unexplained death, and a crashed tic-tac.
1:22:11 Villarroel's VASCO sky plates. Not Sputnik, not proven UAP.
1:24:34 Hawara, and a long metal object in a temple. New to him.
1:28:00 Biondi's radar under Giza, and whether Egypt will allow a look.
1:32:13 A "demon" may be one class of being, not the whole picture.
1:34:04 Ezekiel: cloud, fire, gleaming metal, four living creatures.
1:36:00 McCasland, DeLonge, and beings described like the Greek gods.
1:37:37 Bigelow pushed a president. Grusch will not name every room.
1:40:00 Calm on retrievals. He guesses telepathy is a countermeasure.
1:42:31 Grays in several sizes. He does not say the small ones are machines.
1:46:09 Peruvian remains, Nazca lines, and elongated skulls.
1:53:00 Tall reptilian types he has not seen. Fossils are outside his knowledge.
1:56:11 1952 tape: Holloman, White Sands, about 3,500 mph, nuclear sites.
1:58:00 A living being is harder for the public than a machine.
2:00:12 Robertson Panel, 1953, and a plan of ridicule.
2:01:21 Keyhoe and James McDonald. Nixon and Gleason: he does not know.
2:02:17 A flying-saucer house in upstate New York.
2:04:00 Wikileaks: McCasland and Lockheed's Weiss write to Tom DeLonge.
2:06:18 Insect-like beings. Talk he does not trust.
2:08:27 A reptilian crew, in what he was told, was killed, not contacted.
2:12:00 More people have seen something than will admit it.
2:13:28 MKUltra went public because a 1964 CIA report reached Congress.
2:16:02 Cloaking. Vallée: some sightings are a display.
2:18:14 Old paintings of a figure in a craft with fire behind it.
2:20:00 Something large in the ocean. The Abyss is a picture, not proof.
2:21:11 Matthew Brown's 2018 briefing. Grusch says he never saw it.
2:24:21 A hidden hand, and a warning against invented patterns.
2:25:26 Uncrewed egg-shaped craft. Jake Barber has described recovering them.
2:26:28 A plain "not alone, and we have craft" before Trump leaves office.
2:28:17 They have lived alongside people, he thinks, helpful and harmful.
2:30:00 Close. 

Bigelow Podcast | Jacques Vallée: Lessons Learned after Lifetime of Investigation | Bigelow Podcast Ep. 6 | Sept. 8, 2026

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Astronomer and pioneering computer scientist Dr. Jacques Vallée may be the most influential writer and investigator of UFO and related phenomena in history. In the late 1950’s, he started a personal journal about his explorations of and interactions with UFO cases, witnesses, locations, strange materials, intelligence agencies, and quiet exchanges with an “Invisible College” of professional colleagues. His books have had a profound impact on how humanity views “the Others” and what their agenda might be.

In this episode of the podcast, Vallée explains to Robert Bigelow and George Knapp why his published journals have come to an end, and why he thinks the interactions between humans and non-human intelligence should be focused not on who “they” are, but on how their presence is changing us.

Vallée and Bigelow have worked closely together since the 1980s, first with NIDS (the National Institute for Discovery Science), and later under AAWSAP, a secretive DIA funded effort which investigated the UFO mystery along with related phenomena.

Biochemist D. Colm Kelleher, longtime colleague of both Bigelow and Vallée’s in both the NIDS and AAWSAP also joins the conversation to discuss Vallée’s “control system” theory, the appearance of unknown creatures at Skinwalker Ranch, the merging of nonhuman intelligence and consciousness research, and attempts to communicate with NHI.

Vallée explains why he thinks SOME UFOs were “designed to crash”, why he suspects the “others” are not ETs, and the future of NHI investigations.